1 – What Now for this Government? Western Separation & Scheer Staying On

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Where we’re at

What Next

Trudeau won the most seats, but not a majority. What now?

Wester Separation

Separatist talk renews in Alberta following Justin Trudeau Liberal victory

Kenney

Scott Moe
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHfnGmBWsAAsl9K?format=jpg&name=large

Moe Video

Scheer stays on

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    Deja vu all over again or Trudeau 2.0 for this country. Who could blame them? Many N.B.er’s depend on western oil patch jobs and the frustration here over this turd still being P.M. is quite high (in anglo speaking parts of N.B.). He is a divider among many other things and unless the CPC press for investigations into his/lieberal corruption and illegality during this minority we will be stuck in this sh*t pile for 20 months or so.

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    [QUOTE=”Cassius_Chaerea, post: 20718, member: 480″]Listen to this.

    [URL]https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-tuesday-edition-1.5330601/trudeau-s-victory-has-turned-this-alberta-conservative-into-a-reluctant-separatist-1.5330610[/URL]

    Click the Listen button, read the article after if you want. Listen to that frustration. CBC and Carol Off of course is the mouthpiece of the Government and their bs.

    This is no laughing matter and it’s amazing to see the Liberals/NDP in Quebec and Ontario and even some Conservatives over here mock and talk shit to them or laugh about talk of separation, saying they are landlocked etc. Albertans are not Quebecers, they aren’t pulling an arrogant teenage fit they are genuinely pissed off.[/QUOTE]

    It’s disgusting how some people act. That kind of idiotic behavior is what will destroy the country faster than their multiculturalism policies. Idiots. So many idiots!

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    [QUOTE=”Cassius_Chaerea, post: 20723, member: 480″]Now they’ve come up with “#Rednexit” as in anyone who wants a fairer shake that’s from Alberta/Saskatchewan is a Redneck.

    You know, like Warren Kinsella claims he has done for 30 years, I for my whole life was against racism yet get labeled a racist anyway, probably because people don’t actually listen to my words or read them with proper context instead of their preconceived notions. I am tired of these assholes over here in the East – especially my own fellow White people, the self hating retards that couldn’t think for themselves if their life depended on it.

    All they can do is call people racists etc. That is their go-to for everything now.

    I think I will get a MAGA hat and wear it around just to get one of these little shits to come after me – they like to provoke others right? Then when they do attack me(They just can’t help themselves), try to touch the hat and whatnot, I will show them the error of their ways.

    On the other hand when it comes to separation and Quebec I myself don’t give a shit about saying similar things to Quebecers cause it’s simply true. They are rednecks/racist, vulgar, etc. They are crybabies and whiney, they have been for decades when in reality they always get whatever the fuck they want. I’ve always said let them, they want nothing to do with the rest of Canada(EXCEPT BELIEVING THEY OWN IT/”IT BELONGS TO THEM” – As Turdeau so aptly put it) and are always the source of the problems here, so much corruption too emanating from there. I hadn’t ever denigrated them until this year though, because really, enough is fucking enough.

    If Alberta and Sask go I am definitely down to try and move there.[/QUOTE]
    If someone calls me a Redneck I take it as a compliment. A Redneck is the polar opposite of a Liberal.

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    Kenney and Scheer are both cut from the same moth eaten cloth. Both would rather see the place burn to the ground before giving up on their aspirations for power. Kenney has had his eye on the PM position for years and is just using Alberta as a holding pattern before he thinks the time is right to oust Scheer. Hopefully that will be right away now that Scheer is blindly hanging on despite the general contempt for him. As others have stated, people just held their nose and voted Conservative. If Bernier hadn’t been silenced throughout the campaign the PPC would have received far more votes, and that’s why Scheer hired Kinsella; to make sure that any exposure Bernier got was immediately tainted with fake accusations.

    Scheer will strangle any dissent within the CPC and Kenney will strangle any separatist movement within Alberta. The best place for a separatist movement to be based is Saskatchewan, because Moe isn’t part of the corrupt CPC establishment and would probably ensure that such a movement was given its right to free speech and freedom of association.

    Kenney, like Scheer, wants more immigration because he says it’s ‘good for the economy’.
    That’s one of their signature lines. Here’s a few translations.

    Good for the economy = Increases consumer demand and lowers wages by flooding the labor market, thereby increasing both demand and profit margins for Bay Street. This doesn’t create wealth, it just redistributes it from the Middle Class to the Business Class.
    Growing the Middle Class = Dumping countless foreigners into the already saturated Middle Class job market

    There are other talking points, but they all have the same basis. Import labor to flood the market and lower wages, which drives up profits for the Bay Street crowd. Basically it’s the next step after they exported all the jobs that they could. Kenney is a globalist. He has a combined Minister of Industry and Immigration because that’s how he sees the supply and demand equation. Capitalism requires a closed system of supply and demand, and that’s how it self-balances. Globalists aren’t capitalists because they open the labor pool to the entire world. Globalists are predators.

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    [QUOTE=”tkorte, post: 20764, member: 597″]If someone calls me a Redneck I take it as a compliment. A Redneck is the polar opposite of a Liberal.[/QUOTE]
    My kind of people:

    [I]”The term characterized farmers having a red neck caused by sunburn from hours working in the fields. A citation from 1893 provides a definition as “poorer inhabitants of the rural districts … men who work in the field, as a matter of course, generally have their skin stained red and burnt by the sun, and especially is this true of the back of their necks”.[URL=’https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck#cite_note-regional-11′][11][/URL] Hats were usually worn and they protected that wearer’s head from the sun, but also provided psychological shade from closer scrutiny. [URL=’https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck#cite_note-12′][12][/URL] The back of the neck however was more exposed to the sun and allowed closer scrutiny about the person’s background in the same way calloused working hands could not be easily covered.”[/I]

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    Yes, many who voted for Sheer did it because he wasn’t Trudeau and many who voted for Trudeau did it because he wasn’t Sheer. Elections are strange, funny and annoying in so many ways. I find both of them disgusting. Sure objectively looking at things Sheer might be better on policies, but it’s by such a slim margin that it’s barely worth mentioning. On the personal side of things Trudeau is probably better as he doesn’t fight against his friends and nominal allies. So it’s a wash.

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    [QUOTE=”tkorte, post: 20765, member: 597″]Kenney and Scheer are both cut from the same moth eaten cloth. Both would rather see the place burn to the ground before giving up on their aspirations for power. Kenney has had his eye on the PM position for years and is just using Alberta as a holding pattern before he thinks the time is right to oust Scheer. Hopefully that will be right away now that Scheer is blindly hanging on despite the general contempt for him. As others have stated, people just held their nose and voted Conservative. If Bernier hadn’t been silenced throughout the campaign the PPC would have received far more votes, and that’s why Scheer hired Kinsella; to make sure that any exposure Bernier got was immediately tainted with fake accusations.

    Scheer will strangle any dissent within the CPC and Kenney will strangle any separatist movement within Alberta. The best place for a separatist movement to be based is Saskatchewan, because Moe isn’t part of the corrupt CPC establishment and would probably ensure that such a movement was given its right to free speech and freedom of association.

    Kenney, like Scheer, wants more immigration because he says it’s ‘good for the economy’.
    That’s one of their signature lines. Here’s a few translations.

    Good for the economy = Increases consumer demand and lowers wages by flooding the labor market, thereby increasing both demand and profit margins for Bay Street. This doesn’t create wealth, it just redistributes it from the Middle Class to the Business Class.
    Growing the Middle Class = Dumping countless foreigners into the already saturated Middle Class job market

    There are other talking points, but they all have the same basis. Import labor to flood the market and lower wages, which drives up profits for the Bay Street crowd. Basically it’s the next step after they exported all the jobs that they could. Kenney is a globalist. He has a combined Minister of Industry and Immigration because that’s how he sees the supply and demand equation. Capitalism requires a closed system of supply and demand, and that’s how it self-balances. Globalists aren’t capitalists because they open the labor pool to the entire world. Globalists are predators.[/QUOTE]

    [URL]https://ca.news.yahoo.com/part-play-repairing-politically-fractured-230000989.html[/URL]
    [SIZE=4]We all have a part to play in repairing our politically fractured nation: Sask. farmer
    It was not a congratulatory letter. It was a call to action. It was a reminder that under Trudeau’s leadership over the past four years our nation has been divided. [/SIZE]

    [URL]https://ca.news.yahoo.com/sask-throne-speech-touts-plan-200607828.html[/URL]
    Moe told reporters Wednesday he will release a new Saskatchewan Plan for Growth this fall that includes a goal to increase the population by 226,000 and create 100,000 more jobs by 2030.

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    [QUOTE=”Cassius_Chaerea, post: 21013, member: 480″]The only real solution is for Canada to have our own type of Electoral College like they have in the USA and an Elected Senate[/QUOTE]

    There is no point for an electoral college here. In the US that’s used to make sure that different areas don’t have disproportionate influence over the election of the President. We don’t have a President. So not sure why you would suggest that. As for an elected Senate, what do you think that would solve?

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    [QUOTE=”Cassius_Chaerea, post: 21013, member: 480″]The only real solution is for Canada to have our own type of Electoral College like they have in the USA and an Elected Senate. And to end Equalization, open free trade barriers inside Canada.[/QUOTE]
    no
    free trade is gay and is just another form of globo homo
    i support max and the libertarian bs because the beast needs to be cut down, the government is a fat kid sucking on a smartie at this point.
    and i think like max more power needs to be given back to the provinces.

    i asked a question a while back

    what does the fed do that my provincial government cant.
    the answer is nothing

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    [QUOTE=”joe muferaw, post: 21019, member: 374″]what does the fed do that my provincial government cant.
    the answer is nothing[/QUOTE]

    The same question could be asked the other way around as well.

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    [QUOTE=”Classical Conservative, post: 21021, member: 189″]The same question could be asked the other way around as well.[/QUOTE]
    thats what they want.
    i would rather have smaller more localized control i give a shit what van island wants

    the erasing of lines on a map is something im against

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    [QUOTE=”joe muferaw, post: 21023, member: 374″]thats what they want.
    i would rather have smaller more localized control i give a shit what van island wants

    the erasing of lines on a map is something im against[/QUOTE]

    Do you advocate for Canadian balkanization?

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    [QUOTE=”Classical Conservative, post: 21024, member: 189″]Do you advocate for Canadian balkanization?[/QUOTE]
    i advocate for localized control
    i advocate for our government working for canadian interests

    as it stands now niether of these things are in place

    “A nation lives forever through its concepts, honour, and culture. It is for these reasons that the rulers of nations must judge and act not only on the basis of physical and material interests of the nation but on the basis of the nation’s historical honour, of the nation’s eternal interests. Thus: not bread at all costs, but honour at all costs.

    looking to the absolute and divine providence that is god,and taking into complete consideration that this is a complete nation that is ours and our childrens, the born and those yet to be born, the land of our parents, and by the family, understands the universe in such a manner as it is, is intending to build a new society, and a new state, and a new civilization according to the hierarchy in their spritual and material values in accordance with the natual laws governing actual reality to create a high destination, a transcendent destiny.

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    I’m against splitting up a people, regardless of geographical size. So I would be more against Alberta leaving than Toronto leaving despite the latter being closer as Toronto isn’t Canadian but most of Alberta is. Of course there are issues with geography as well. In a small country such as say Italy, having policies which splits people up within the country isn’t that terrible as the distance isn’t that great. So I could agree with the restrictions on free trade within a country the size of Canada, however it’s better to have free trade within the country than to have it outside of the country no matter who it’s with.

    I would say that the issue of trade within Canada is too limiting, at least relative to other countries. It’s currently easier to get products from places in the US than it is to get the same sort of thing from other parts of Canada. This shouldn’t be the case. Intranational free trade is better than international free trade. One has to be wary.

    Part of the reason I’m not more against Max’s policies on free trade is that I don’t think he’s aware that it requires the free movement of people. I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt. Still he still seems slightly too libertarian, but he seems at least sufficiently anti globalist. He’s better than any of the other options by far that have a chance, so in that part at least we agree. I would say the CHP and CNP are both better on a couple things, but they have some other big problems that hinder them, especially their growth.

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    [QUOTE=”Cassius_Chaerea, post: 21027, member: 480″]I said a type of electoral college, I’m not sure how it’d work, all I know is the power has to be taken away from major population centres, they can’t have that kind of power over the vastness of the rest of the country and the people who live there. Electing Senators so we can hold them accountable.[/QUOTE]

    Taking power away from the population centers seems decent. However I would say the primary problem of the population centers is that they are a different people. Still even if they have the same people there are concerns that people have in rural areas which are different from those in a city. So that is still a concern.

    There are a few ways that this could be done for people who are responsible for an area or “represent” that area. One of them would be to base the ridings where we vote based on population density such that higher population densities require more people in order to get the same person elected. So it would be closer in geographical size. Generally that type of thing is done with a Senate though. With the Senate we could change it to make it more like the US one such that 2 are from each province. Could be a combination, or not.

    As for an elected Senate, elections don’t hold anyone accountable. In an election you pick your ruler, then they do what they want. The Canadian population is center right on average in their views on issues, yet they elect people who are all left of them. The PPC is basically what the average Canadian believes yet it’s the farthest right party we have. If people voted based on how their own views were then every candidate that was run by the PPC would’ve gotten elected, with the possible exceptions of those in foreign areas. Paper Canadians don’t count. “Representatives” don’t represent anyone. It’s supposed to be their job but it isn’t. The elected have 2 jobs only: Get elected again, meaning that campaigning never ends it just takes on different forms and the second one is to exploit the state for as much as they can in the limited time they have unless it conflicts with the first job.

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    Also italy as a nation is relatively new

    This theatrical shrine of ‘Western Democracy’ was adorned with the statues and portraits of Greek and Roman statesmen and philosophers. As if it were meant for a symbol of irony, the horses of the quadriga that surmounts the two Houses are pulling apart from one another towards all four quarters of the globe. There could be no better symbol for the kind of activity going on within the walls of that same building.

    Several hundred representatives were there to discuss a problem of great economical importance and each representative had the right to have his say.

    A turbulent mass of people, all gesticulating and bawling against one another, with a pathetic old man shaking his bell and making frantic efforts to call the House to a sense of its dignity by friendly appeals, exhortations, and grave warnings.

    I could not refrain from laughing.

    A number of problems presented themselves before my mind. I studied more closely the democratic principle of ‘decision by the majority vote’, and I scrutinized no less carefully the intellectual and moral worth of the gentlemen who, as the chosen representatives of the nation, were entrusted with the task of making this institution function.

    Thus it happened that at one and the same time I came to know the institution itself and those of whom it was composed. And it was thus that, within the course of a few years, I came to form a clear and vivid picture of the average type of that most lightly worshipped phenomenon of our time–the parliamentary deputy.

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    Democracy, as practised in Western Europe to-day, is the fore-runner of Marxism. In fact, the latter would not be conceivable without the former. Democracy is the breeding-ground in which the bacilli of the Marxist world pest can grow and spread. By the introduction of parliamentarianism, democracy produced an abortion of filth and fire1, the creative fire of which, however, seems to have died out

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    I believe it was Marx who said that Democracy was a path to communism. It was one of those communists who said something like that anyways. Maybe Lenin or Stalin. Democracy is a left wing system of government anyway and it’s always instituted as the result of violence.

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    By far the most effective branch of political education, which in this connection is best expressed by the word ‘propaganda’, is carried on by the Press. The Press is the chief means employed in the process of political ‘enlightenment’. It represents a kind of school for adults.
    to know the men who owned this machine for mass instruction, as well as those who supplied it with the ideas it distributed. At first I was quite surprised when I realized how little time was necessary for this dangerous Great Power within the State to produce a certain belief among the public; and in doing so the genuine will and convictions of the public were often completely misconstrued. It took the Press only a few days to transform some ridiculously trivial matter into an issue of national importance, while vital problems were completely ignored or filched and hidden away from public attention

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    I would say most of the Press is really just a perverted form of the 3rd estate and the Church has failed and often completely ignores it’s role in that area. It should be their duty but they mostly don’t even touch things that they could even though it’s supposedly their duty.

    People who watch a lot of mainstream news are generally misinformed about reality. In fact those who are completely uninformed know more about reality than those who are misinformed about things.

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    But let us pass over the intellectual qualities of these representatives and ask what is the nature of the task set before them. If we consider the fact that the problems which have to be discussed and solved belong to the most varied and diverse fields we can very well realize how inefficient a governing system must be which entrusts the right of decision to a mass assembly in which only very few possess the knowledge and experience such as would qualify them to deal with the matters that have to be settled. The most important economic measures are submitted to a tribunal in which not more than one-tenth of the members have studied the elements of economics. This means that final authority is vested in men who are utterly devoid of any preparatory training which might make them competent to decide on the questions at issue.

    The same holds true of every other problem. It is always a majority of ignorant and incompetent people who decide on each measure; for the composition of the institution does not vary, while the problems to be dealt with come from the most varied spheres of public life. An intelligent judgment would be possible only if different deputies had the authority to deal with different issues. It is out of the question to think that the same people are fitted to decide on transport questions as well as, let us say, on questions of foreign policy, unless each of them be a universal genius. But scarcely more than one genius appears in a century. Here we are scarcely ever dealing with real brains, but only with dilettanti who are as narrow-minded as they are conceited and arrogant, intellectual [I]demi-mondes[/I] of the worst kind. This is why these honourable gentlemen show such astonishing levity in discussing and deciding on matters that would demand the most painstaking consideration even from great minds. Measures of momentous importance for the future existence of the State are framed and discussed in an atmosphere more suited to the card-table. Indeed the latter suggests a much more fitting occupation for these gentlemen than that of deciding the destinies of a people.

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    [QUOTE=”Classical Conservative, post: 21030, member: 189″]There are a few ways that this could be done for people who are responsible for an area or “represent” that area. One of them would be to base the ridings where we vote based on population density such that higher population densities require more people in order to get the same person elected. So it would be closer in geographical size. Generally that type of thing is done with a Senate though. With the Senate we could change it to make it more like the US one such that 2 are from each province. Could be a combination, or not.[/QUOTE]
    Ive had similar ideas
    Where as you would elect a representative from the provinces based on the provincial government
    This however would leave no head of state.thus none with final say .

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    [QUOTE=”joe muferaw, post: 21050, member: 374″]Ive had similar ideas
    Where as you would elect a representative from the provinces based on the provincial government
    This however would leave no head of state.thus none with final say .[/QUOTE]

    Interesting idea. I think changing the way the Senate is done would help with unity perhaps. Also the PM needs to not appoint them, same with the judiciary. Also having a de facto head of state as the same as the de jure one as well as that position being held by a Canadian and independent of the House of Commons is a good idea. In fact it’s one that 70% of Canadians agree with. There is just a split between monarchists and republicans on who it should be. 30% of Canadians support the Queen specifically, so they are opposed to the head of state being Canadian.

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    Yes we need to protect the judicial system aswell
    I mean look at the states and who sits atop theres.
    These creatures have the final say not the politicians.
    The state’s also in actided nohide laws .
    And it was the lawyers in ancient isreal that ruled until David or Soloman

    And it was our own courts that trashed the appel to the 1974 bank of canada act

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    Case in point on the judicial system
    [URL]https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2019/october/disputing-a-sex-change-for-a-7-year-old-texas-gov-abbott-and-sen-cruz-come-to-defense-of-desperate-dad[/URL]

    The judge also put a gag order in place for both parents not to speak to the press and the father will not be required to pay any attorney’s fees.

    And in canada
    [URL]https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-court-of-appeal-transgender-teen-1.5269512[/URL]

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