172 – Essential Travel Only in Ontario? Seems So

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https://www.ontariocourts.ca/ocj/how-do-i/set-fines/changes-to-the-consolidated-set-fine-schedules/schedule-4-0-1-2020-03-18/

OPP – Essential Travel Only

https://www.narcity.com/news/ca/on/covid-19-in-ontario-opp-warns-residents-to-avoid-non-essential-travel

Canadians who haven’t travelled
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/latest-travel-health-advice.html

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https://www.google.com/search?q=non+essential+travel+ontario&sxsrf=ALeKk02Knzq6w1-aMKEaU_EHBETQ6Yca4Q:1585574237320&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiqurippMLoAhUBQawKHS0GBb84ChD8BSgBegQICxAD&biw=1680&bih=907

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    MSM and govt can’t announce the no travel thing? Just sassy OPP can say it? Even if ‘essential’ workers try to go to work, it’s awful – my husband can’t take the city bus now because it only lets 6 people get on. What’s going on with that today now in Ontario? If my sister is driving to a shift at her nursing home (in rural Ontario) she works at, does she just prove that to the OPP if she’s stopped? Are stores there open, then, if no one’s supposed to go to get groceries anymore?

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    I’m still going to work. Just got home in fact. We just got a notice we need to stat 6ft away from each other at work too.

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    You can still go out and get groceries and necessities but they say no unnecessary driving, which imo is bullshit. I like to do for drives as I’m sure lots of people do, if that’s something that keeps you sane and your just driving then it shouldn’t be a problem. Not to mention my daughter has her beginners license, so how is she supposed to learn without driving, going to the grocery store once a week isn’t going to cut it. If I get a fine I’ll fight it.

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    I am also concerned with what will happen when people do not pay rent. I anticipate this to be in high numbers. I saw a silly petition imploring others to hold back on rent payments and justifying the action due to the advertised mortgage deferrals. It does not make sense to me. The two are entirely different. Mortgage holders still need to pay the mortgage at a later date. No doubt there will be interest accumulated as well. Will renters pay later? With interest? Many small time landlords could really lose their shirts. The landlord and Housing Board will do nothing to protect landlords in this scenario. I had recently read some nightmare stories from landlords who had no control over evictions when tenants did not pay for months. It was a headline article in my local newspaper just a couple of months ago. In this case the owners had to return rent deposit, pay $5000 in moving costs as a negotiated deal to get the tenants out.
    I should mention that I do not own my own property myself, but I sympathize with landlords who are put in a precarious situation. Be prepared for ensuing chaos…

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    Lots of landlords are Canadians. Just probably not in bigger cities. But Andrea is correct in the the rules favour the tenants disproportionately. Sure there are tons of shit landlords there are also tons of shit tenants. I had an opportunity to buy a house and rent out the basement. I would’ve been able to live for free. I didnt want to deal with the bs that comes with that.

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    I agree we have too many people here in Canada but my point still stands. Lots of tenants are shit. They know the rules and will try and fuck you. No thanks.

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    Reality is its a two way street and you reap what you sow. Just because Doug Ford said you don’t have to pay rent that wasn’t a right to be abusive. I rent a shop for my business and I have a great landlord, he asked me if I was ok for rent this month, I am so I payed it. In the future it could be a problem, who knows? So having a good relationship works in favour of both tenant and landlord. As I said you will reap what you sow.

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    [QUOTE=”Paul, post: 31234, member: 274″]Reality is its a two way street and you reap what you sow. Just because Doug Ford said you don’t have to pay rent that wasn’t a right to be abusive. I rent a shop for my business and I have a great landlord, he asked me if I was ok for rent this month, I am so I payed it. In the future it could be a problem, who knows? So having a good relationship works in favour of both tenant and landlord. As I said you will reap what you sow.[/QUOTE]
    I heard it’s a real hassle getting these things from govt that are supposed to help people. None of them are explained well either. A good friend of mine answers the calls for RBC and her calls are people are crying and these people are beside themselves. Relatives of mine and my husband are stuck working their shit jobs and can catch the virus easily, as if the virus is around them, they will get it. The others have lost income and most people have lost a lot of savings. Lost businesses and jobs gone forever. Not that Trudeau cares about all of it, but I don’t think it can be fixed. And the stock markets crashing and oil price bombing too.
    I imagined Canada being in this state in around 30 years from now, but it has been quicker, thanks to Trudeau. Frank Vaughan called his latest video showing Dr Tam and other ‘officials’, The Good the Bad and the Ugly…..
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    [QUOTE=”Cdnguy, post: 31223, member: 5″]I agree we have too many people here in Canada but my point still stands. Lots of tenants are shit. They know the rules and will try and fuck you. No thanks.[/QUOTE]
    I was thinking a lot of it(even though I like Doug Ford) is to help immigrants that are tenants. Everything is catering to them.

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    [QUOTE=”Cassius_Chaerea, post: 31242, member: 480″]I’ve always paid my rent. Shyster landlords certainly do reap what they sow haha, sooner or later.[/QUOTE]
    One of the ‘slum landlords’ here is an incompetent psychiatrist from Pakistan. He sends the money to Pakistan. A lot of good that does. I hope he reaps what he’s sown over the years.

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    [QUOTE=”Cdnguy, post: 31219, member: 5″]Lots of landlords are Canadians. Just probably not in bigger cities. But Andrea is correct in the the rules favour the tenants disproportionately. Sure there are tons of shit landlords there are also tons of shit tenants. I had an opportunity to buy a house and rent out the basement. I would’ve been able to live for free. I didnt want to deal with the bs that comes with that.[/QUOTE]

    Yes, exactly. Therein lies the problem. The economy is tanking and many if not most are out of work. Have you tried calling Service Canada lately? I haven’t been able to secure a line in a week. The money ain’t comin quick. Soon people will not have money for food, much less lodgings.

    I’m not so concerned with the corporate landlords and property managers. Any big business is the least of my concern. It’s the small independent ma and pa shops that worry me. In this case, there is an opportunity for people to rent out space such as a basement now or in the coming months, but what a risk! My brother has a nice little house with a walkout finished basement. He could use the income by renting it out, but it’s added responsibility and potentially more stress than he can bear. There is little incentive or protection to rent out living space already. Now when accommodations could really be needed as people may fail to pay their mortgages, where will they go? What a shame.

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    [QUOTE=”Andrea H, post: 31278, member: 417″]Yes, exactly. Therein lies the problem. The economy is tanking and many if not most are out of work. Have you tried calling Service Canada lately? I haven’t been able to secure a line in a week. The money ain’t comin quick. Soon people will not have money for food, much less lodgings.

    I’m not so concerned with the corporate landlords and property managers. Any big business is the least of my concern. It’s the small independent ma and pa shops that worry me. In this case, there is an opportunity for people to rent out space such as a basement now or in the coming months, but what a risk! My brother has a nice little house with a walkout finished basement. He could use the income by renting it out, but it’s added responsibility and potentially more stress than he can bear. There is little incentive or protection to rent out living space already. Now when accommodations could really be needed as people may fail to pay their mortgages, where will they go? What a shame.[/QUOTE]
    Most people don’t realise that a basement apartment requires a separate entrance of its own and puts a person’s house insurance up. That homeowner has to claim the rent as income on their tax return, as far as I know, and there are other problems that come along with it.

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    [QUOTE=”jcorvec, post: 31285, member: 31″]Most people don’t realise that a basement apartment requires a separate entrance of its own and puts a person’s house insurance up. That homeowner has to claim the rent as income on their tax return, as far as I know, and there are other problems that come along with it.[/QUOTE]
    That’s right. Not much incentive is there? My brother has a walk-out to the back. I can’t be sure all windows are egress but I believe most by-laws require it in case of fire.

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    [QUOTE=”Andrea H, post: 31278, member: 417″]Yes, exactly. Therein lies the problem. The economy is tanking and many if not most are out of work. Have you tried calling Service Canada lately? I haven’t been able to secure a line in a week. The money ain’t comin quick. Soon people will not have money for food, much less lodgings.

    I’m not so concerned with the corporate landlords and property managers. Any big business is the least of my concern. It’s the small independent ma and pa shops that worry me. In this case, there is an opportunity for people to rent out space such as a basement now or in the coming months, but what a risk! My brother has a nice little house with a walkout finished basement. He could use the income by renting it out, but it’s added responsibility and potentially more stress than he can bear. There is little incentive or protection to rent out living space already. Now when accommodations could really be needed as people may fail to pay their mortgages, where will they go? What a shame.[/QUOTE]
    Yes, the ‘help’ is tied up with red tape and loopholes and govt isn’t saying to people, “Let people stay in your house to help them for a wile and you won’t be penalised with increased house insurance rates, etc.” But the govt has told homeowners around Toronto before the crisis to “open their homes to refugees!”. (Seems to me John Tory announced that recently)

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    [QUOTE=”jcorvec, post: 31287, member: 31″]Yes, the ‘help’ is tied up with red tape and loopholes and govt isn’t saying to people, “Let people stay in your house to help them for a wile and you won’t be penalised with increased house insurance rates, etc.” But the govt has told homeowners around Toronto before the crisis to “open their homes to refugees!”. (Seems to me John Tory announced that recently)[/QUOTE]
    Indeed Great point! Things are so backwards…

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    [QUOTE=”Andrea H, post: 31286, member: 417″]That’s right. Not much incentive is there? My brother has a walk-out to the back. I can’t be sure all windows are egress but I believe most by-laws require it in case of fire.[/QUOTE]
    Yes, they make everything impossible to do. Everything has to pass inspection…. I find a lot of it is the government paying themselves…
    And these government helps with funding are not what they’re cracked up to be, I don’t think. In one of Trudeau’s speeches outside of his front door, he was telling us to go to “my account” on the CRA website, but mine and my husband’s don’t work! And we’d never get through on the phone, so good thing in a way that my husband is an essential worker for now. I think others are not able to access so-called govt help as well.

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    i for one is glad to be essential. dont have to deal with that shit.

    on a side note with it being nice today in southern ontario holy fuck where people out. i dont mind too much if you go for a stroll but please dont go for a stroll in your car. especially if you dont know where the fuck youre going. yes i mean you in the white nissan rogue.:mad::mad::mad::mad:

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    [QUOTE=”Cdnguy, post: 31292, member: 5″]i for one is glad to be essential. dont have to deal with that shit.

    on a side note with it being nice today in southern ontario holy fuck where people out. i dont mind too much if you go for a stroll but please dont go for a stroll in your car. especially if you dont know where the fuck youre going. yes i mean you in the white nissan rogue.:mad::mad::mad::mad:[/QUOTE]
    People can’t stay in if they can’t read a book or take a walk around the block or watch something on video/tv, then. I have no choice as my legs won’t carry me outside. Since they can’t stay home they’re all clogging up the roads, for essential workers and I can’t believe it. Is the dirivative “Stay Home!” so hard to understand? I see on the news they are at parks and not doing what they’re supposed to do and they don’t seem to care.

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