The Wernick Tape

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Saturday night massacre

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3:20 – PM Wants to know why DPA isn’t being utilized entierly inappropriate and political interference. What i am trying to do is to protect him. 4:00

4:30 – treading on dangerous ground here. I can’t act in a manner that isn’t objective

She answers that question directly

5:00 – uncomfortable having this conversation but happy to talk to you.

5:30 – statutes have these provisions in it
But i would have to gazette this
6:05 – jobs and wanting to save jobs. No way that anyone would interpret it
Til 7:08 – this looks like the PM is pressuring me

8:00 – section 13 – she explains in it why she’s not doing it in this case

Til 8:23 – referencing September conversation (that snc was made aware that dpa was not being pursued)

9:00 – uncomfortable having this conversation

9:35 – i don’t believe it’s appropriate to use it in this case.

9:50 – very firm mood about this. – first threat

10:05 – breaching constitutional principle of prosecutor independence. On norman on extradition and rule of law

10:30 – what we should and shouldn’t do.

10:44 – respect where you’re coming from

I don’t think you do, no one does. Disrespectful, entirely inappropriate

11:20 – you’re minister of justice in cabinet. I’m not seeing anything inappropriate here

11:46 – still have things you can do that are lawful….

12:10 – lots of other countries

12:30 – dpp gets discretion from prosecutor, no guarantee

13:20 – referencing letter strategy which jwr recommended

14:00 – firm frame of mind – bit worried second threat
Worried about what?
not good for ag and pm to be at loggerheads

Trying to protect PM from political interference

14:40 – he doesn’t have the power to do what he wants all the tools are in your hands…so…
“Thoughts of the saturday night massacre here, michael. I don’t like being in this place”

15:17 – worried about a collision then, he’s pretty firm about this and this is really important to him and okay. Um. Not much more we can cover now then. I understand where you’re coming from.

16:58 – waiting for other shoe to drop. I understand your threat.